19 Littlegrey Comments:
**** off. Let people have whatever hair style they want. Go outside and stop trying to create nouveau fascism.
Every time you use the expression "cultural appropriation" in an inane context, a baby bunny dies. A black baby bunny. With cornbraids.
All of her points seemed pretty reasonable to me.
I'm going to have to go ahead and agree with WhatRoughBeast on this one. She didn't seem to be the type to say white people shouldn't have cornrows or like hip hop. Or at least that's not how it sounded to me. She seemed to just be saying think about the history and cultural significance behind what you're doing, instead of just doing it because it's cool. Being a straight white male, I have to remind myself on a daily basis how privileged I am, and that seemed more to me to be the point of this video.
Or, you know, just live your life without this burden of guilt caused by a so called "privilege". Shave your head without worrying some tumblr SJW is gonna be triggered because she's jewish and your shaved head reminds her of neo-nazis . Wear cornbraids without wondering will some vlogger climb on her high horse and ramble about it like it's an actual issue.
This vlogger says that "cultural appropriation" (yes that deserves to be in quotes) happens when the other persons doesn't understand the significance of what they are taking...to which I say...then it's not cultural appropriation it's simply style appropriation. To appropriate a culture requires an understanding otherwise it's not culture.
Blacks in American should be reminding themselves each day how privileged they are. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70837000/jpg/_70837807_12_abyei_bull_reuters.jpg
I don't feel guilty about my privilege, I'm just aware of it. And it sounds like culture is a lot more significant to many others than it is to either of you. I think it's at least worth discussing if people are seriously offended, to see if some compromise can be agreed upon. For me this just kind of seems like white people being too proud to say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize your hair and jewellery was so wrapped up in your cultural identity, I'd like to understand why this means so much to you." Instead whenever I have this debate all I get is "F*** off! I'll talk and dress however I damn well please, deal with it." So I sort of understand why people might get pissed off.
All these African Americans be cash cropping on my ancient Roman brothas...
I hope all you youngins realize how stupid it is to claim a hairdo as culture before you start telling people what clothes they can and can't wear. Maybe after that you can start claiming certain stores, or areas as part of a culture too, and admonish outsiders for being in them.
"Eating at Chinese restaurants by white Americans and other majority non-Chinese should be looked down upon, as it entails the physical ingestion of Chinese culture. Anyone who suffers a serious but non-permanent physically debilitating injury shouldn’t be allowed the use of a wheelchair, as this is an ableist appropriation of differently abled culture." - Sam Doloncot
The very idea of cultural approbation is absurd.
Silent, you have it exactly opposite. It's because I comprehend culture, and hold it as important, that I deride the current fad against appropriation (so-called).
Wyse nailed it. To associate a style with culture is to ignore what culture is and also ignores the cyclical nature of style within cultures and sub-cultures.
Okay, guys, seriously, the massage I'm still getting here is that you feel entitled to behave however you please, and everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and not worth your notice. Like I said, how hard would it be for people to say "I'm sorry I've offended you, let's work together towards a mutual understanding"?
One set of human beings DOES NOT have the right to hold onto a set of ideas or say to any other human being you cannot use those ideas. That is the essence of elitism and bigotry.
We are entitle to behave however we please. That someone thinks they have the right to dictate our behavior is appalling. Why is it that we're the ones who have to work toward the mutual understanding? Why can't they understand history? Why can't they understand that diversity doesn't mean cultures remain apart? Why can't they understand that they made a living (musicians) off of the music of their culture marketed to a mainstream audience and it's downright moronic of them to assume that people wouldn't try to emulate that and that this emulation has nothing to do with theft of a culture? Perhaps it's just the making of a new culture!
The mutual understanding that needs to exist is this: I get to dress and style my body how I want.
Well, you are obviously pretty sure that you are right on this one, so I'll stop, but I hope you're less condescending when you talk to other people about how they feel.
To be completely frank...I feel your comments are the ones that are condescending. Self righteous and condescending to be exact. Who are you to tell me how I should act or feel or dress or think or what cultural norms I should follow or shouldn't? It's like saying you'll stop...but yet making just one more dig.
I think the onus is on those who hold the view that cultural appropriation is bad to explain how one group of people has the right to control a certain set of ideas.
Ultimately I am saddened and concerned that liberalism has become so unhinged that I am now in TopMonkey's camp more often than I would like.
I am not that old, but I routinely see liberal people a mere decade younger than me advocating radical authoritarian ideas all so someone's feelings don't get hurt.
Okay, I never tried to tell you how you should or shouldn't act, all I tried to say was that I agree with the idea that respect for culture and history and each other are all good things. All you two are saying is that it's too stupid to even discuss, but if people are upset, which they are, telling them that their feelings are stupid is only going to make them even more frustrated, not less.
" I agree with the idea that respect for culture and history and each other are all good things."
Silent, that's not the idea being put forth in this video. Culture and history ARE good things. My love and understanding of culture is the reason for my passion. This video is saying when someone from one culture does something associated with another culture they have done something wrong. This video is saying people outside of the culture have no right to anything within that culture.
It is wrong for one group of people to claim hold on a set of ideas and for them to indicate that other people have no right to those ideas. This is the exact kind of thinking that leads to aristocracy. By happenstance of birth this girl has a culture. She's born to it, she has a right to it, and no one not of her kind does. I mean...who do you think you are to wear cornrows? Who do you think you are to eat creole? You're an outsider, you're not ONE of US.
"A billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.” —Travis Walton
Which means I don't have to believe her when she says it's wrong. Nor accept the premise upon which it is founded.
wyse, when you're 40, you'll find I was never all that extreme, just worried.
This worry was about just what we're seeing: it's not liberalism that exists today, that's just the . The word has become corrupted. Now we have to say "classical liberalism" in order to have the meaning that was put forth by Adam Smith and so loved by America's founders. Classical liberalism is a boundless promise that people can live their own lives, modern liberalism seeks to live for you.
I wish we could reclaim the word. It hasn't meant what it should in a very long time.
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
Okay, I think I see where our difference of opinion comes from. When I've talked to people about cultural appropriation, they don't ask me or others not to take part in their culture, just to respect and understand where it comes from and why it's important to them. Which I think is fair.
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